Integration Has Been Cruel To Black America ?

[Vegence]

INTEGRATION HAS BEEN CRUEL TO BLACK AMERICA

By Attorney Roy Miller

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I'm an attorney in Macon, Georgia. In 1994, I fought and succeeded at having the n-word removed from a major dictionary. I am the first and only person to do so. I challenge Black leaders to dispute my claim that in a weird kind of way, integration has been cruel to Black America.

Integration was intended by a lot of sincere Black and White people to serve as a mechanism for Black and White equality in learning. Unfortunately, the cure given to promote Black equality is proving to be the lethal injection. In a strange kind of way, some how in a cross fire, both Blacks and Whites were wrong. Who knew that the medicine for cure would have such a cyanide affect?

Prior to integration, Black student discipline was little problem in Black public schools. Prayer was welcomed and there were no fallouts regarding religious rights, gay rights or women rights. Everyone with their different beliefs just seemed to get along. There was pride. There was nothing like a basketball game or Christmas parade. Black schools showed that they were competitive against the White schools and Black kids loved the feeling. Students respected teachers and parents supported teachers disciplining their children. If a student got into trouble at school, he knew that he would be in bigger trouble once he got home. A major problem we had in Black Schools back then was that we were getting out-dated, hand me down text books. Our schools were not getting the most current learning materials and we lagged in school renovation needs. It seemed that most money for learning was being spent in the White schools. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. didn't like it, Reverend Jesse Jackson didn't like it, a lot of Whites didn't like it and many people of different races wanted a change.

So, we integrated. It seemed to be okay at first. However, when Black teachers started paddling White kids and White teachers started paddling Black kids, all Hell broke loose. Lawmakers made laws that pretty much stopped teachers from paddling in public schools. We threw discipline out of the window. It even extended to parents not being able to properly discipline children at home. Black people believed in praying. Legislatures of almost all White males voted to take prayer out of school. Blacks had no voting power to resist the decision. Black kids could not openly join in prayer at school anymore. God kicked out the Devil stayed. A lack of discipline and religious values equaled to trouble for the Black student. Prior to integration, Blacks accounted for around 35% of the prison population. There was no such slogan as Black on Black Crime.

Blacks got the updated books and learning materials that were needed; however, the cruel side affects from integration were that it literally destroyed moral and religious values in Black youth. Black youth, lacking in discipline training, grew up to be adults lacking in morals and lacking in traditional religious values. The result was a sharp rise in Black crime.

In majority Black school districts, White kids left and went to private schools. Public schools were segregated all over again. The reality is that Blacks are now right back in what amounts to segregated public schools. What was lost in the journey can perhaps never be recovered. How cruel, when you look at the peace, love, lives and respect that were lost, all for text books and educational equality. We need to admit it. White parents are not ever going to let Black teachers paddle White children, Black parents are not ever going to let White teachers paddle Black children and Black parents are distrustful of their children being disciplined in the public school system.

We've got to have discipline. Discipline is necessary in the education of children. Black people know how to distribute discipline to Black children, but it has to start early on in life. Laws are made based on how White males think Black children should be raised. Usually, private Black Schools don't have major student discipline problems. Private Black schools have scholars. Black folks know how to raise Black children, but laws made by White men are getting in the way. Black folks need to be making the laws, regarding the educating of Black kids in public schools. Unfortunately, laws that were made by almost all White dominated legislatures are actually raising our Black kids. Let's get integration right or trash it.

For media interviews, contact:
Attorney Roy Miller at 478-745-2402 or attorneymiller99@aol.com or visit www.attorneyroymiller.com

[Blak]

I quickly lost interest in this article. It looked like it was gonna be incitefull but it is yet another "the bible and whipping kids half to death is what made the good old days so good and today so horrible" rant. This person brings nothing to the table. He wants to look back fine.....but the rest of us need to find some real solutions to the problems of today and stop blame the fact that children are now included in human rights, and the act that schools are too diverse for prayer of one religion, for everything. That is tired as hell. We need to identify the REAL problems and stop basing such lists of problems on so pipe dream that the "good old days" were some god daamn utopia.

What are your personal thought Vegence? :)
It's-Meeeeeeeeee ......where you at???? :biggrin:

Blak

[originata]

I believe integration has hurt Black people but not really for the reasons that the author gives. Forget schools disciplining Black children, Black parents need to discipline Black children.

A stereotype that many of us believe in is how strict and hard Black parents are compared to white ones but if that were true we wouldn't have many of the problems that we do. I believe in corporal punishment but beating a kid because they got on your nerves with no substance/lesson/teaching behind it is useless which unfortunately is the case for many Black parents.

[Blak]

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YES Originata.....that is what we need to do....compile a list of the ways integration has hurt black people that makes sense....then move from there.

I think that one effect is that blacks who are doing well are less likely to look out for less affluent blacks....also, some less afluent ones alienate the middle class blacks by assuming they are trying to "be white" if they happen to live in a white area. The community does not have to hold together the way it once did. Opression is horrible....as is alienation...but it forces communities to be tight. (look at Hatian's living in North America)

[hales]

Originita,

Integration is at the bottom of the problem you see of black parents not correcting their children.

When black students were shipped far away from black parents, it was the first time that black parents would not find out what their chidlren were doing from their neighbors.

So one line of communication was lost during integration.

Secondly when integration happenned, white teachers were horrified by not only the whoopings that black kids got, [they heard about 'belts and stenching cords, laying across the bed naked, etc, etc'. ] but also the fact that black kids did not eat before coming to school [no food] nor have socks, tshirts, mittens, hats, coats and sometimes not even shoes.

So many social workers swooped on black parents and threatened to take the kids or took them for the parent abusing the kids or neglecting them.

This was the cause of the black parent not correcting their children.

While children were often disciplined by the father before integration, fathers were not allowed in the homes, per the new rule that whites required when they made welfare a federal right, rather than states choice [as it is again states choice].

So black children without the natural correcter in the home, the father, were in homes now ran by mothers scared they would lose the children if they beat or whooped those children. It was the rare mother who was able to overcome this fear.

And now a days, children will just straight up tell you they are calling the police on you, if you touch them.

My brothers mother has been told by the police that she will go to jail, if she even grabs the arm of one of her 11, 12, 13 year old granddaughters she has raised from birth, when they attempt to sneak out of the house late at night.

My brother has been brought to the police station and questioned for abuse because he whooped his daughter on her hand with a belt about HITTING HIM.

The only thing that saved him was the police officer who told him, NEVER tell the truth again about what happenned at the house. And so it became my brothers word against her word and they dropped it.

The damage of missing work, being arrested, and the daughter now knowing she could just do what she wanted to them and then call the police if they did something back, of course already having been done.

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In my humble opinion homeschoolers of all stripes are absolutely right about the fact that parents rights are being stolen every day in this country by a social worker system run amuck.

Anybody here can go to a website called: www.cpswatch.com and find out about all the abuses of the social worker system going on in this country.

They tell it from 2 perspectives.

1. They show that the cases where social workers go but DONT take the kids, are kids who end up hurt.

2. They show that the cases where social workers go and TAKE the kids, are the ones where the kids should have never been taken in the first place.

A deciding factor apparently is the parents attitude. A crack head can get real humble when talking with social workers, admitting problems, getting some of them funds from the system for furniture, food, clothes, etc. So social workers tend to leave kids in the homes of crack heads.

But a parent who works hard and knows their child needed correction tends to resent and 'go off' on interfering social worker, so the social worker retailiates by taking the kids.

There is a social worker down in Texas who wrote about the "Messiah Complex" of social workers who think they are "Saving these poor children".

The point being it is due to integration that we are having these types of problems.

[hales]

Originata,

I agree whooping a child because he is getting on your nerves is wrong.

Yet one looks at all the white kids on medications like riddlin, who were jumpy and nervous.

Whites medically whoop their kids for getting on their nerves and blacks just whoop them.

Blacks apparently doing the right thing.

The kids know they are being whooped medically though.

Because 1600 of the white kids on these medicines have killed themselves.

And 99 percent of all white kids who have taken a gun, killed their parents and then went to the school and shot 12 students and teachers were on these medicines.

So black kids reject these whoopings because as all their teachers and social workers told them, abuse is wrong, by leaving home and making money to support themselves by drug sales.

White kids reject these medical whoopings too but since the teacher did not support them, they take out mom and dad and the teacher.

[Blak]

Black people need to learn that there is more to parenting than hittine...that is the lazy way to go. Beating kids with objects is stupid and a sign that the parent has no skills....a real parent can raise a kid with rarely hitting and not using objects....whippings come from slavery....black people need to drop the slave mentality already,.....this is depressing that we are not smart enough to come up with intelligent ways to raise kids. :mad:

[Blak]

Yet another thread derailed by black peoples obsession with beating kids.

Anyone got anything NEW to say on how integration screwed over blacks????????


Blak

[originata]

hales,

those are all some interesting points. I wanna say though that Black mothers aren't hitting their children is just plain wrong. I agree that there is a fear among some parents of using their hands, but our biggest problems and this goes for kids of any race is that parents no longer teach their children anything. Plenty of Black mothers are out there beating their kids but that has no meaning when you don't teach them discipline or anything else for that matter.

A few years ago while I was in school, I had a part time job conducting surveys for different state agencies. The state's board of education conducted a survey about people's perception of public education. I worked on this specific survey for 6 months. I don't know the final results of it but I was startled but some of the responses. One of the parts of the survey had something to do with how much weight parents would put on the schools versus themselves in teaching their kids in Reading, Math, and Social Values. I have to say of the hundreds of Black people that participated VERY FEW put more weight on themselves in either category even in social values which I found very disturbing. Not every Black child is being bused to some white nieghborhood or attending private schools, in fact most probably aren't. Our values and priorities are so skewed and that's what's wrong with our lack of discplining children.

[Blak]

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Well said.

Punishment and discipline are not the same thing....and teaching the kids...the most important thing, along with discipline is where the ball has been totally dropped.

Social values, math, reading, common sense,.....none of this is taught by beatings.


I think you just got this thread back in order man!!!

Another consequence of integration is that since blacks have always assumed white education was superior....they have left all teaching up to the white operated schools thier children go to and only punish thier kids when they feel like doing so and get the urge. The hard work has been passed like a hot potato to the white society we are integrated into and the easy mindless task of physical punishment (completely useless on its own) has been retained.

Blak