Is it wrong to explain the dark side of black history?

Originally Posted by RBG3

The typical black history subjects I hear are always MLK, (sometimes) Malcolm X, (little information on) Harriet Tubman, Rosa Parks..and that's about it.

A large portion of the information circulated during black history month revolves around the peaceful ending it had..

Is it wrong to explain to the youth..I'm speaking of ages 15-18 (high school) the truth behind it? The hangings, the murders, the torture the unfair treatment?

I'm talking about the burning alive for looking at a white person in the face, or the police arresting Black's under false charges and letting them out in the night after calling the KKK to get them upon their exit..the Black Panther's assassinations...the Black's in the army who were sent to the front lines with cheap weaponry as a distraction and bait for the white soldiers to use as cover...

Is it wrong to expose the dark side of the history? The real bloodshed, the thousands of found, and even more thousands of not-found black bodies in the ocean? Thoughts...

Honestly, this story shouldn't have been removed from secondary school history books like it has, especially when you consider that when the Dark Ages are explored in history class, they make sure to include the names and functions of torture devices used during the Inquisition. This is how Western society creates future societies; by "editing" history is certain places. If the whole of the horrors of slavery and Jim Crow were readily accessible to all American high school students just like info about ancient Christian and Muslim torture is currently, the racial problems in America would have been solved a while ago. Plus, I think we'd've received reparations as well. I still don't understand how the American government can be so blatantly biased in who the compensate for past wrongs and nobody except folks on "the fringe", seems to think that the bias is completely wrong.

Even Blacks are againsts reparations! Damn! The brainwashing is complete.

[amd1588]

Originally Posted by Chevron Dove

Thanks for your comment. 'Abram' means, 'black Ram'. God changed Abram's name to 'AbraHam' because, he was sent down into the the land of Ham and mixed his Shemitic seed with Ham in order to help the Hamites of whom were being oppressed. Due to our slave teachings until 1776 we were taught lies and after the federal government Separated Church from State, they are not obligated to teach us the truth about history. They made the Bible 'a bad thing'. AbraHam was 'a Ram'. He was part Hamitic. His mother was Cush Ham and she was a slave from Ur of the Chaldees. For this reason, Abram was not treated fairly by his father Terah. Frederick Douglass' life parallels that of of the founding father of our race. The federal government does not have to teach us this. They do not have to teach us that 'Shem' is 'Zeus' and, that 'JapHeth' is 'Appollo' [Appollyon] and that 'Ham' is 'Khnum' [the Ram]. They separated history with the stroke of a pen and outlawed the Bible in public schools to alienate us from our real roots; the living God our creator.

How is the Bible our Roots??? If anything, it is wonderful that the FINALLY separated church/state/ and schools in every way. Although we STILL have a long way to go. How can you say that Abraham was a black man, yet he was Semetic. Then say that his mother was Cush, meaning she was Hamitic, when the theory goes that Hamitic was suppose to be the start of the black race, not semitic. Never mind the fact that Hamitic only refers to a FEW East African nations(Ethiopians, Sudanese, Somalians, Egyptians) Yet our ancestors are NOT Eastern, they are Western Sudan, central and central south west Africans. Man, one of the many things wrong with our people. We are NOT valuing Honest Knowledge. Knowledge is TRULY power. And teaching people that the stories of the Bible are our true history is a Sad Mistake. Christianity much like Islam is a WHITE man's religion, if for no other reason but that it will ALWAYS divide us and keep us steeped in religion. When will we as African people finally leave that religion mess behind in the Dark Ages where it belongs ? Thats why we still have out brothers killing other brothers all over Africa and Jamaica because they're Gay. The ignorance has got to stop! Somehow we have adopted the prejudice and stupidity of our oppressors.

Is it Bad to talk about the Bad Aspects of our History ? Why cant we finally discuss the fact that it was our own brethren who sent us into bondage, regardless of its parameters. Its something that has to be discussed and taking accountable for. Its something that STILLS plague us today, yet all of our "Afrocentric" brothers are reluctant to admit that. It was the ignorance of Arabic Islam that send us into bondage and intellectual provincialism. We have to start taking responsibilities for ourselves or we will forever be lost in this Western Civilization.

[Chevron Dove]

Originally Posted by amd1588

How is the Bible our Roots??? If anything, it is wonderful that the FINALLY separated church/state/ and schools in every way. Although we STILL have a long way to go. How can you say that Abraham was a black man, yet he was Semetic. Then say that his mother was Cush, meaning she was Hamitic, when the theory goes that Hamitic was suppose to be the start of the black race, not semitic. Never mind the fact that Hamitic only refers to a FEW East African nations(Ethiopians, Sudanese, Somalians, Egyptians) Yet our ancestors are NOT Eastern, they are Western Sudan, central and central south west Africans. Man, one of the many things wrong with our people. We are NOT valuing Honest Knowledge. Knowledge is TRULY power. And teaching people that the stories of the Bible are our true history is a Sad Mistake. Christianity much like Islam is a WHITE man's religion, if for no other reason but that it will ALWAYS divide us and keep us steeped in religion. When will we as African people finally leave that religion mess behind in the Dark Ages where it belongs ? Thats why we still have out brothers killing other brothers all over Africa and Jamaica because they're Gay. The ignorance has got to stop! Somehow we have adopted the prejudice and stupidity of our oppressors.

Is it Bad to talk about the Bad Aspects of our History ? Why cant we finally discuss the fact that it was our own brethren who sent us into bondage, regardless of its parameters. Its something that has to be discussed and taking accountable for. Its something that STILLS plague us today, yet all of our "Afrocentric" brothers are reluctant to admit that. It was the ignorance of Arabic Islam that send us into bondage and intellectual provincialism. We have to start taking responsibilities for ourselves or we will forever be lost in this Western Civilization.

You asked me a lot in your first paragraph. But before I answer you, I don't remember saying anything about 'religion' of which you commented on. I did not refer to 'Bible religion' but I referred to 'Bible as a record of history by dates and times'. So if you do not believe that the Bible contains 'Black History' then, what do you beleive? You beleive that this Federal government gave you accurate Black History!?

I dated Bible History to the Federal government's 'approved state' history. I compared and constrasted timelines. I did not talk about religion.

Next, my Great grandmother was from Sudan and came from the Port of Sudan and I agree partly to your statements about Ham.

Concerning AbraHam, I do not think I fully follow your question. Are you stating that 'Semetic people' are not black! All aboriginal Semetic [Shem] people are 'Seth' [South world people] or 'black'. But AbraHam was the son of a Semitic man and an Cushitic woman from 'Ur of the Chaldees'. His name 'Abram' defines him as such and so does his history.

I do not understand why you state that Christianity and Islam are white oriented.

As far as Separation of Church and State, I believe that it was good for the State to separate from the church because, if they did not believe in Jesus then, they should have separated. Now speaking religiously, I believe that if Jesus is real then, he knows how to take care of a nation that uses him as a basis for hundreds of years to kill and murder his race of people and then separate 'when the going gets good'. I'm not going to argue with you about that. I don't care for neither periods when this nation operated slavery under Christianity nor after the Separation of Church and State.

[Chevron Dove]

QUOTE:Is it Bad to talk about the Bad Aspects of our History ? Why cant we finally discuss the fact that it was our own brethren who sent us into bondage, regardless of its parameters. Its something that has to be discussed and taking accountable for. Its something that STILLS plague us today, yet all of our "Afrocentric" brothers are reluctant to admit that. It was the ignorance of Arabic Islam that send us into bondage and intellectual provincialism. We have to start taking responsibilities for ourselves or we will forever be lost in this Western Civilization.
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If you star with 'Arabic Islam' for the source of our slavery then, what date are you referring to. My Great grandmother was definitely a victim of the slave trade system with regards to three factors, (1) the British government, (2) the Arabs and, (3) an infamous black slave trader named RABIH in the A.D. 1850s. He was a ten year old young male stolen and put into slavery himself before he grew up to be a notorious slave trader for the Brits and the Arabs. My Great grandmother was too, only about twelve years old.

[amd1588]

Originally Posted by LiseYates

Honestly, this story shouldn't have been removed from secondary school history books like it has, especially when you consider that when the Dark Ages are explored in history class, they make sure to include the names and functions of torture devices used during the Inquisition. This is how Western society creates future societies; by "editing" history is certain places. If the whole of the horrors of slavery and Jim Crow were readily accessible to all American high school students just like info about ancient Christian and Muslim torture is currently, the racial problems in America would have been solved a while ago. Plus, I think we'd've received reparations as well. I still don't understand how the American government can be so blatantly biased in who the compensate for past wrongs and nobody except folks on "the fringe", seems to think that the bias is completely wrong.

Even Blacks are againsts reparations! Damn! The brainwashing is '
complete.

I just don't understand how a Proud Black man could support Reparations. When we were taking from Africa, we were NOT Using the American Dollar with George Washington on it.... Do you not see that if we take money for Slavery... That'll be like saying your awful legacy can be bought. And after we get that payment we can never mention it again... Not only that our history is NOT for Sale... If we were to take any form of reparation, save for maybe education, the only good it would do would be for us to put money back into this system.. If our brothers and sisters in the hood especially get it, you can know for certain that the quick cash will NOT last long... We have got to be economically independent... We cannot depend on Welfare to get us up and that is all reparations from this government would be. Why Ask whites to repair whats damaged to us, when we can do it ourselves.. My first act for reparations would be to END black on Black homicides. Then to educated everyone of us, on our history and Their history... And take it from there.

[amd1588]

Originally Posted by Chevron Dove

You asked me a lot in your first paragraph. But before I answer you, I don't remember saying anything about 'religion' of which you commented on. I did not refer to 'Bible religion' but I referred to 'Bible as a record of history by dates and times'. So if you do not believe that the Bible contains 'Black History' then, what do you beleive? You beleive that this Federal government gave you accurate Black History!?

I dated Bible History to the Federal government's 'approved state' history. I compared and constrasted timelines. I did not talk about religion.

Next, my Great grandmother was from Sudan and came from the Port of Sudan and I agree partly to your statements about Ham.

Concerning AbraHam, I do not think I fully follow your question. Are you stating that 'Semetic people' are not black! All aboriginal Semetic [Shem] people are 'Seth' [South world people] or 'black'. But AbraHam was the son of a Semitic man and an Cushitic woman from 'Ur of the Chaldees'. His name 'Abram' defines him as such and so does his history.

I do not understand why you state that Christianity and Islam are white oriented.

As far as Separation of Church and State, I believe that it was good for the State to separate from the church because, if they did not believe in Jesus then, they should have separated. Now speaking religiously, I believe that if Jesus is real then, he knows how to take care of a nation that uses him as a basis for hundreds of years to kill and murder his race of people and then separate 'when the going gets good'. I'm not going to argue with you about that. I don't care for neither periods when this nation operated slavery under Christianity nor after the Separation of Church and State.

What I mean is that you say Semitic people were black. When the etymology of the word would imply to us that Semites were half breeds, hence Semi-this or that. Anyway my point is that if they were black, the Hebrews that is. Then it would be sort of inconsistent with the Story of Ham. Never mind the fact that in the bible of all the people of color or black people mention, none of them were "Bantu" and by Bantu, I mean west to south Central African decent.. Which is what US Americans of African decent really are, Bantu speakers. So basically even if they were black, that doesn't necessarily mean that they are relevant to us in America, save for maybe sentimental reasons. You are of Sudanic decent so I would think that would take on a different dynamic in your case. But generally most African Americans aren't of Sudanese decent which is Niolitic and NOT Bantu Africans. Anyway, No I do not rely no the government to give me Black history. Also, I didn't know that the government had even issued any anthologies or proclamations of Black history. But what I can do is take government sources, such as archives at libraries and such, and see that which has been historically preserved for the public. Something our people don't actually seem to be aware is right here at our disposal. I rather rely on myself when searching for history rather than using only one source. And I would hardly consider the bible even a hit and miss source of Ancient Black History... Since it 1 wasn't written about us, 2 written by us, or even written for us. Let alone the fact that we are NOT EVEN MENTIONED in the bible. Now if anyone could find a scripture in the bible that does include us, then I would greatly appreciate it.. Mentioning of Egyptian and Sudanese Kings, which the bible does do, hardly constitute our History. And despite some popular Belief, Africans in America are NOT Jews !
Because if we were Jews, then that would say that the Africans are NOT our ancestors, and that they are inferior to us, and that is not true either... So basically we cant have it both was. We have to reconstruct our history ourselves. I say Christianity is a white mans religion, because the first Christian church was A European Church... Then through white supremacy it eventually made its way to Egypt and Ethiopia. Some Afrocentrics seem to be under the perception that the Ethiopian Christian church somehow predates the European one, but that is hardly the case. When Ethiopia was conquered by the Romans I think, they had to submit, and eventually picked up Christianity, so it has been White Supremacy from the start. Only back then they didn't realize it.. Because they didn't quite have the concept of Race

[Chevron Dove]

Originally Posted by amd1588

What I mean is that you say Semitic people were black. When the etymology of the word would imply to us that Semites were half breeds, hence Semi-this or that. Anyway my point is that if they were black, the Hebrews that is. Then it would be sort of inconsistent with the Story of Ham. Never mind the fact that in the bible of all the people of color or black people mention, none of them were "Bantu" and by Bantu, I mean west to south Central African decent.. Which is what US Americans of African decent really are, Bantu speakers. So basically even if they were black, that doesn't necessarily mean that they are relevant to us in America, save for maybe sentimental reasons. You are of Sudanic decent so I would think that would take on a different dynamic in your case. But generally most African Americans aren't of Sudanese decent which is Niolitic and NOT Bantu Africans. Anyway, No I do not rely no the government to give me Black history. Also, I didn't know that the government had even issued any anthologies or proclamations of Black history. But what I can do is take government sources, such as archives at libraries and such, and see that which has been historically preserved for the public. Something our people don't actually seem to be aware is right here at our disposal. I rather rely on myself when searching for history rather than using only one source. And I would hardly consider the bible even a hit and miss source of Ancient Black History... Since it 1 wasn't written about us, 2 written by us, or even written for us. Let alone the fact that we are NOT EVEN MENTIONED in the bible. Now if anyone could find a scripture in the bible that does include us, then I would greatly appreciate it.. Mentioning of Egyptian and Sudanese Kings, which the bible does do, hardly constitute our History. And despite some popular Belief, Africans in America are NOT Jews !
Because if we were Jews, then that would say that the Africans are NOT our ancestors, and that they are inferior to us, and that is not true either... So basically we cant have it both was. We have to reconstruct our history ourselves. I say Christianity is a white mans religion, because the first Christian church was A European Church... Then through white supremacy it eventually made its way to Egypt and Ethiopia. Some Afrocentrics seem to be under the perception that the Ethiopian Christian church somehow predates the European one, but that is hardly the case. When Ethiopia was conquered by the Romans I think, they had to submit, and eventually picked up Christianity, so it has been White Supremacy from the start. Only back then they didn't realize it.. Because they didn't quite have the concept of Race

Please put your source for the origins and dates that the words 'Bantu' and 'Nilotic' began to be used. If you don't recognize the presence of black people in the Bible then, you need to show the date and sources you use that go back beyond that timeline. Who only uses the Bible as one source?

[LdyJ]

It's never wrong to learn about black history past,If we didn't advance our minds we will go on believing all those things we learn in the history book in school about all these so called white hero's who was the culprit of our ancestors been slaves.

[MadameX]

Since when has the struggle of our ancestors had a so called dark side. Perhaps, this may be the case for those with inferoirty complex with being Black in society and comfronting the day to day struggle which crosses all economic ladders due to the color of our skin regardless of income status. What kind of Tom philosphy is this?

Hmm.Somebody has been watching to much Oreo Daytime TV. Look at the melontonin running through your veins, you sure as hell can't wash it off. Time to put the Afro back in the chat. Let's reflect on the wisdom of the lyrics from Late Great Brotha Curtis Mayfield.



Choice of Colors- Curtis Mayfield


If you had a choice of color
Which one would you choose my brothers
If there was no day or night
Which would you prefer to be right
How long have you hated your white teacher
Who told you, you love your black preacher
Do you respect your brother's woman friend
And share with black folks not of kin
People must prove to the people
A better day is coming for you and for me
With just a little bit more education
And love for our nation
Would make a better society

Now some of us would rather cuss and make a fuss
Than to bring about a little trust
But we shall overcome our beliefs someday
If you'll only listen to what I have to say
And how long have you hated your white teacher
Who told you, you love your black preacher
Can you respect your brother's woman friend
And share with black folks not of kin
I said now people must prove to the people
A better day is coming for you and for me
With just a little bit more education
And love for our nation
Would make a better society
And if you had a choice of colors
Which one would you choose my brothers
If there was no day or night
Which would you prefer to be right
And If you had a choice of colors
Which one would you choose my brothers
If there was no day or night
Which would you prefer to be right

[amd1588]

That song you quoted doesn't seem to correspond with your perspective. Especially if you are using ignorant terms like "Tom". Perhaps you should seriously consider taking to those words Mr. Mayfield composed. There are definitely dark sides to our history. And they must be discussed Objectively. Its that type of mentality that has plagued our community going back to Martin Delaney and perhaps even David Walker, although thats another story. Dr. Dubois warned about that malignant mindset in blacks , now I see more and more why he was against Marcus Garvey.