Queen Cleopatra Was A Syrian

[Baba Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Nudimmud9

What is the true long-term or short-term significance of this argument/discussion? If Cleopatra was an extra-terrestrial with green skin and purple blood, what does it mean in the context of your individual self-worth and knowledge? Ultimately, the truth of the matter is, all people come from black people. WE ARE THE BEGINNINGS OF IT ALL FOLKS. That being said, you can also find historical precedent that proves much if not all of the foundation for the modern world in all it’s facets and nuances originated with "African-peoples."

Again, based on those statements of fact I pose the question. What is the true long-term or short-term significance of this argument/discussion?

Just a thought.

Yes a thought stimulating question in c/w relevance today, except I'd not use an analogy using "an extra terrestrial...." Anything. No need; 'cause that lends credit to already used justifications to disprove Afrikans beginning inputs in the lands of the Gods.

However the question is needed for individuals ina context of "a people," our Afrikan peoples. Yet there still remains many Afrikan people who're unaware of a general historical presence of blue/black people across that entire region of N. Afrika and the so called Middle East.

Originally Posted by Moorfius

Hotep

Before the time of any indoeuropean "Invasions" of "Kemet" from the north...there had already been more than (4) so-called African Queens that went by the same name of Cleopatra. There were at least (6) six Black African Queens of the same name. When Alexander "The Barberion" invaded what was now called Egypt by indoeuropeans or Greeks...the Ptolemy people were of so-called mixed race only to give credit to europeans who were and still have stolen the legacy of every African in America and else ware. After the take over of so-called Egypt by the indoeuropean Alexander the Thief...the Greeks set up themselves as the "New" so-called rulers...and this was the start of the Ptolemy Dynisty. The Greeks stayed for a time untill the next group of indoeuropean invaders (Arabs) took Egypt for them selves and are still there today calling themselves Egyptians...a Greek name their brothers gave to the region. It is not unknown that the Whites took every thing and re-wrote history and put them selves in the Kemites or Black Africans place.

Ase`

http://www.swagga.com/queen.htm#cleop

Thanks for the link.

[Nudimmud9]

Originally Posted by Moorfius

Hotep

Before the time of any indoeuropean "Invasions" of "Kemet" from the north...there had already been more than (4) so-called African Queens that went by the same name of Cleopatra. There were at least (6) six Black African Queens of the same name. When Alexander "The Barberion" invaded what was now called Egypt by indoeuropeans or Greeks...the Ptolemy people were of so-called mixed race only to give credit to europeans who were and still have stolen the legacy of every African in America and else ware. After the take over of so-called Egypt by the indoeuropean Alexander the Thief...the Greeks set up themselves as the "New" so-called rulers...and this was the start of the Ptolemy Dynisty. The Greeks stayed for a time untill the next group of indoeuropean invaders (Arabs) took Egypt for them selves and are still there today calling themselves Egyptians...a Greek name their brothers gave to the region. It is not unknown that the Whites took every thing and re-wrote history and put them selves in the Kemites or Black Africans place.

Ase`

http://www.swagga.com/queen.htm#cleop

Despite my previous statement, I gotta give props where props are due. The link is on point. More substantive stuff to read is always a good thing in my view

[Passingthru]

Hi everyone,
I was passing by when I noticed the post titled “Queen Cleopatra Was A Syrian”
As I read the post and the replies, some lingering personal issues on the matter of Black history came up, so I though that I would stop by and share with you. If some of my comments offend, I apologize in advance. The intent is not to offend, but rather to invoke free thought.

My first reaction when reading the posts and replies was: why are apparently well-read Black people arguing about something so inane? First of all, it’s been pretty well established that Cleopatra was a Hellene/Greek, and aside from that, who cares, her only claim to fame was that she gave it up to both Caesar and Mark Antony, so what.

Which brought up the other issue for me: Black historical writers. Because judging from your arguments, they are the problem. You have depended on them and they have failed you, just as they had once failed me.

I say that because it is apparent that none of them bothered to TEACH you Black history. Now, I’m not saying that their work is not valuable, but did you really learn Black history from them, or did you learn bits and pieces? On my own part, I am forever grateful to Diop for hipping me to the goings on with modifications and alterations of Egyptian statues, but then what. I was still no closer to understanding Black history.

But to me their greatest failure was in failing to establish the FULL scope of Black history. How many of you know and understand, that up to the ascension of the Hellenes, ALL history – world wide, was Black history. As a young person, that’s where my interest lay, I wanted to know how the world got to be the way it is, and how I got such a shitty place in it, (figuratively speaking).

Those Black historians were no help. Here is an example for you, how many of you know that the first civilizations in Italy-Etruscans, Greece-Minoans, Anatolia/Turkey-various, Palestine-Canaan, Iraq-Sumer, Iran-Elam, India-Indus Valley, Thailand-Mon, Cambodia-Khmer, Vietnam-Chams, Indonesia-various, China-Xia/Shang, The Americas-Olmec/Xia plus Australians, were ALL BLACK – and I’m not talking about people in huts either. These were great civilizations, the builders of the first cities and the creators of all the first technologies. Thank goodness for Clyde Winters, when I started my own personal research years ago, his writings were the only thing that I had as a guide to know where to look.

But getting back to “Cleopatra Was A Syrian” first off, Syrian is a poor term to use, it was the name that the Romans gave to the land that connected three continents – therefore the Syria that they referred to, included everything between Anatolia-(Turkey) and Egypt and west of what is now Iraq. By the time of Cleopatra, Greeks had built two or three cities there, but they were by no means the majority population, the Aramaeans, of Arum (the area now called Syria), the Canaanites, Phoenicians and Hebrews (Palestine and Lebanon) were all still there. By the way, Greek is also an ambiguous term – nobody knows where it came from, the Macedonians called themselves Hellenes.

When Alexander entered Egypt, he had an army with him. Though the Egyptians welcomed him – because they hated the Persians, Egypt was still, for all intents and purposes, a conquered country. So to suggest that the Ptolemy’s shared rule and kingship is kind of simple-minded, not to mention that by this time, Egyptian royalty wasn’t Egyptian – it was LYBIAN (Berbers). But that’s not to say that the Greeks weren’t banging every Egyptian girl that they could get their hands on, I’m sure that they were, but letting them become rulers – come on!

Anyway for those of you who might be interested in the full scope of Black history, a new group of Black historians called the “Human History Group” have just opened a new site called “Ancient Man and His First Civilizations” which covers everything I mentioned plus some. Lots of beautiful pictures of statues too, Egyptian women were gorgeous! It is located at http://www.realhistoryww.com

[Auset32]

Passingthru,
Thanks for the link!

Auset32

[Baba Ahmed]

Yes thanks for the link, even though there's no identity shown. I see "we" often; so who's the "we" spoken of.

B4 questioning the pretensious phrase "real history," that you refer to, evidentally you're not as familiar with what u call "Black historians" and their greatest failure was/is not to teach a "full scope of history." I'd have to ask at least a few names of the nebulous "Black historians," if u please.

Meanwhile one last brief question: why do you criticize carbon 14(?) dating technique as merely guestimations, while none better is offered? Are we to assume, based on what?, that your date reports are better?

Oh one last point, its no revelation that the Ptolemy Dynasties became such during what you call as Egypt was on a down slope, socially politically/militarilly, religiously so much so that those called Egyptians have been reported to really be of the ruling Mulatto classes. They blended with the Ptolemy usurpers.

There're some interesting pictures you present, thank you for them. By the way, what do you see as pre-history? Must go now, onamove.

Respect
Kwame Baba Ahmed

[Passingthru]

Baba – can you rephrase?
Though your post is glib and cool, I am having a hard time trying to figure out exactly what your questions are.

[jacqui]

Ok so I have read this site before and it is very informative but the first line confuses me.

This site provides a complete history of mankind's first civilizations.

I have always been taught that the term mankind does not apply to the fathers of civilizations. (Black Men)

This truly does come across as the history of mulattos and whites but hey I could be wrong.

Evolved from apes, come on that is what the white non-supremacist teach about black folk.

On the Canaan 1 section, once again the first line is deceptively false. Palestine, Israel are and always have been a part of Africa so this line below is not true:
Ancient Canaan was probably the first place, outside of Africa.

But for those who don't know it makes for good reading, Thank Goodness I was taught by our great historians so well about Our History which it appears is still a mystery to some.
I do thank you for this link.

[saraphen]

I merge the threads so we don't get into repeating ourselves.

[Passingthru]

Jacqui – aren’t we dealing with semantics here?
And aren’t you being just a little less than honest with us?

1) You say the fathers of civilizations, I say Mankind or Modern Man, (what’s the beef?).
2) You skimmed the site, you really didn’t read it, did you? Whites and mulattos – come on!
3) Yes I do subscribe to the theory of evolution – but I don’t know that it means evolving from Apes. “APE LIKE CREATURE” and Ape is not necessarily the same thing, it might be, but doesn’t have to be.
4) Here is a little lesson in practical relativity.
a) How do you know what color yellow is?
b) How do you know how long an inch is?
c) How do you know which way is east and which is west?
d) The answer to the above questions, is that at some point someone decided to call it that, and over time others also called it that. And over more time, enough people called it that, to where that name became the standard for referring to that thing, place, distance, or whatever. Incidentally, without such standardization civilization could not exist. Suppose one group of people called the distance equal to a foot - a mile, and another group called the same distance an inch, see what I mean?
So if you want to call Canaan part of Africa, have at it, but it certainly isn’t going to help others in trying to understand what you are talking about.

[jimihaze]

I found the link to very interesting.